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Prav Messaging App for iOS

Prav is a messaging app built on Quicksy IM and available on Android. We are currently in private beta. This fund raiser is to build Prav iOS app based on Quicksy iOS by Monal project. See About section to learn more.

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$600
Today's Balance
$601.36
Estimated Annual Budget
$637

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Sarayu Natarajan

$200 USD since Apr 2024

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milvus_migrans_govinda

$55 USD since Jan 2024

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Thejesh GN

$50 USD since Jan 2024

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Jishnu

$50 USD since Jan 2024

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Omshivaprakash HL

$50 USD since Sep 2024

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Incognito

$39.25 USD since Nov 2024

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Jyothis

$30 USD since Jan 2024

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RSK

$30 USD since Jan 2024

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Incognito

$26 USD since Jan 2024

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Ravi Dwivedi

$20 USD since Nov 2023

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Pirate Praveen

$20 USD since Nov 2023

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realaravinth

$20 USD since Feb 2024

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Sanoob Pattanath

$20 USD since Feb 2024

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MysterC

$12 USD since Nov 2024

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Snehal Shekatkar

$10 USD since Jan 2024

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deadman

$5 USD since Feb 2024

Prav Messaging App for iOS is all of us

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Thank you for supporting Prav Messaging App for iOS.

Ravi Dwivedi

Admin

$20 USD

Pirate Praveen

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$20 USD

deadman

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$5 USD

Badri

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Sarayu Natarajan

$200 USD

milvus_migran...

$55 USD

Thejesh GN

$50 USD

I don't use iOS, but its important to give them...

Jishnu

$50 USD

Inkognito

$39 USD

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Today’s balance

$601.36 USD

Total raised

$601.36 USD

Total disbursed

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Estimated annual budget

$637.25 USD

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News from Prav Messaging App for iOS

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Starting work on "Prav for iOS"

We are nearing our target of $600, with just under $50 more to go (help us get there!) which means it's time to start working on the next steps. To avoid duplication of w...
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Published on November 2, 2024 by Badri

Our old "About" page

Many things have changed since we first launched this campaign. Let it not be said that things in the XMPP world move slowly! We have rewritten our "About" page to reflect all the new developments, but are saving the original version here f...
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Published on November 2, 2024 by Badri

Monal developers announced they will be working on Quicksy branded version of Monal

Monal developers will be at XMPP sprint in Berlin in two weeks to work on a Quicksy branded Monal. This will unblock our plan...
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Published on June 28, 2024 by Pirate Praveen

About


Background

Historically, XMPP support has been lacking in iOS compared to Android. The situation has fortunately improved, with Monal gaining a lot of new features over the past year thanks to work put in by Thilo and other contributors.

Now, the recently launched Quicksy for iOS has greatly improved the onboarding process—a common stumbling block for new XMPP users— by allowing phone-number based signup. Quicksy was originally an Android service, but Daniel Gultsch (creator of Quicksy) recently collaborated with Thilo Molitor (creator of Monal) to make an iOS version of Quicksy. This means iOS users can have the same seamless onboarding process too.

What is Prav?


Technically, Prav is a customised version of the Quicksy codebase. Socially, we are complementing Quicksy's mission with a more participative rebuild as Prav: users can participate in deciding priorities for feature development. We take the top priority features, and raise funds to implement those features by hiring developers.

The project will be owned and operate as a cooperative as imagined by The Platform Cooperative (we are currently in the process of finalising bye laws so we can formally register). This means the privacy policy, various policies, and other aspects of project governance will be handled in a democratic manner.

We recognise that, in order for XMPP messaging to become more commonly used, it is not enough to lay the technical foundations but also to actively campaign and run promotions to inform people about the value of open, standards-based messaging platforms. So, in addition to development, we invest effortin talks, flyers, stalls, and other promotional activities as well. We direct users to Prav and Quicksy as easy onboarding steps, but also encourage them to use other XMPP services when they have the ability and inclination.

Learn More about Prav at https://prav.app. Credit: Prav is built on Quicksy and Monal.

This campaign


Prav started out as an Android app (based on the original Android version of Quicksy), but through a poll among Prav contributors, having an iOS app came as one of the top priority features. The original plan for this campaign was to implement phone-number based signup on iOS. However, since that has already been done by Quicksy for iOS after this campaign launched, we are shifting focus to supporting custom usernames, another voted top priority feature.

By default, phone-number based signup takes your phone number as the username, effectively making it public in a lot of places. We plan to let the user optionally choose a different username instead of their phone number, so they can communicate with people without revealing their phone number, but still use that phone number to log in. You can find more details on this in our Android campaign for the same feature.

Besides the custom username feature, we will be doing the basic groundwork to get Prav out on the App Store, basing our work on the current Monal/Quicksy code.

Finally, since this is our first crowdfunding campaign, it serves as a proof of concept for the new model we are trying to implement: decide on priority features based on user feedback and discussions, and raise funds to implement those features.

Who will get the money?

The funds raised through this campaign will be given to a developer(s) who implements this. Currently Vaidik, who was previously a Google Summer of Code intern for Monal, has agreed to work on this project. We will also need an Apple Developer Account to publish to the App Store; that currently costs 99 USD per year.

Why are you building Prav for iOS?

We often get this question from Free Software supporters: "Why are you building Prav, a standards-based, open, and Free Software project, for iOS, a proprietary and heavily locked-down platform?"

The short answer is that the community voted for it. But we wouldn't be doing justice if we didn't explain the reason behind many people voting so.

When it comes to using software like LibreOffice or Debian, it is purely a matter of personal choice. However, it is not possible to beat social services like WhatsApp through personal choice alone due to the Network Effect.

Consider a Prav user who convinces everyone in their circle to use Prav, but then finds out that one of those friends has iOS. The presence of just that one iOS user in circles is enough to force people to use some other service that works on iOS as well as Android (usually, this would be something "familiar" like WhatsApp). This is not hypothetical; it has already happened to many of us who tried to on-board people to Quicksy (before they released their iOS version) and to Prav.

Since Quicksy and Prav are interoperable, this is not such a big barrier as it used to be when we started this campaign, but having Prav directly on iOS would make things simpler to explain, as well as have better integration for things like contact autodiscovery through phone number (another feature people coming from today's proprietary messaging apps are used to).

Other payment options

If you are unable to make a payment via this page, or prefer payment via Indian debit cards or UPI, then you can donate through Razorpay from this page: https://prav.app/donate/prav-ios/

Note: The above description has been rewritten due to many new developments that have taken place since the campaign first launched! For posterity, we have preserved a copy of our old "About" page as well.

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